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Over the last few months, Nikki Haley has gained enough in the polls to suggest she is on the verge of surpassing Ron DeSantis as the main threat to Donald J. Trump in the race to become the Republican candidate for 2024.

Jazmine Ulloa, a national politics reporter for The Times; and Nate Cohn, The Times’s chief political analyst, discuss her building momentum and examine how far she might go.

Jazmine Ulloa, a national politics reporter for The New York Times.

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Nate Cohn, The New York Times’s chief political analyst.

Nikki Haley is seen smiling, wearing a white blazer. Ron DeSantis, slightly blurred, is behind her.
Nikki Haley has gained with educated and relatively moderate Republicans and independents, but that could also be a big liability in today’s G.O.P.Maansi Srivastava/The New York Times

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Jazmine Ulloa and Nate Cohn contributed reporting.

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