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Over recent months, protests over the war in Gaza have rocked college campuses across the United States.

As students graduate and go home for the summer, three joined “The Daily” to discuss why they got involved, what they wanted to say and how they ended up facing off against each other.


  • Mustafa Yowell, a student at the University of Texas at Austin

  • Elisha Baker, a student at Columbia University

  • Jasmine Jolly, a student at Cal Poly Humboldt

A crowd holding protest signs, many wearing face masks and kaffiyehs.
Pro-Palestinian protesters at U.C.L.A. this month.Philip Cheung for The New York Times

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